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Paraglider Review: 2007 Apco Thrust HP Medium

Reviews, Updated 02-13-2007 | Ratings: 1 is bad, 10 is good | Para200 Specs

This wing is quite different than the regular Apco Thrust which I have not yet reviewed.

The Apco representative called it their answer to the rising reflex market. I didn't note whether it was significantly reflexed but it did have a wide trim range that is typical of such wings. The model I flew had no certification sticker but their website claims AFNOR/CEN standard certification. I didn't get to do a full test and will hopefully revisit this wing when I get another chance.

It was tested near sea level at 230 pounds in-flight weight using a Blackhawk Rhino 172. The published weight range is 220 lbs to 364 lbs so I'm quite light on it. Size is 27.5 m² flat, 23.5 m² projected. My wing loading was 230 / 23.5 m² = 9.78. 

Handling (4): Handling was decent, especially if it's indeed got any significant reflex to it. Solid and predictable, requiring about the same pressures as the 2004 reflex gliders. Handling would have been better, crisper, on the small. I was near the bottom of the Medium's weight range. 

Inflation (4): Seemed easy enough even with simulating light wind. I did not get to really compare inflation of the three reflex gliders on this day. Since this is being billed as Apco's response to the Reflex's, that would be telling. A side-by-side test in the same conditions would be ideal and, if I get the opportunity, I'll do that. Another test that would be telling was to see how easy if front tucks when made to come too far overhead while kiting. Reflex wings are very resistant.

Efficiency (4): This seemed pretty efficient overall for a motoring wing. 

Speed (7): Being light made my speeds be slower than for most pilots. Trim speed (hands up, no speedbar) averaged 21.4 mph, trimmers out=24.3 mph. It was not tested with a speed system since the borrowed motor didn't have one.

Construction (5): I absolutely love the brake holders on this wing. They're magnetic but enclosed in the riser so iron laced sand, like what's common on the west coast, doesn't fill them in. It also comes with two loops on each riser so as to accommodate either high hook-ins or low. 

Certification & Safety (6): This one had no sticker on it so it's probably not certified through the entire trim range. With trim in, it's AFNOR/CEN Standard (about the same as DHV1) so it should be quite predictable during upsets.  

Overall (5): It's a good solid wing that pilots who want to go fast with good safety will enjoy. It should be pretty good for new pilots, too. If you're into the higher speed wings this seems to be a good choice but make sure to get the small size or you'll be disappointed by the speed.

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About Reflex Gliders

Differences between reflex paragliders and "regular" paragliders | See also Origins & Understanding of Reflex Gliders

There are some basic differences between reflex and "regular" paragliders that revolve around their airfoil shape as shown at right. All wings with trimmer lift the wing's aft section but reflex wings do it more and with a different profile.

Much of the difference is in how the A's and B's are extremely loaded in reflex mode (trimmers fast) and so pulling down one A riser does very little. The center of pressure is farther forward and they are difficult to collapse. In fact, one reason why they had difficulty certifying the wings is that the test pilots couldn't collapse them in certain configurations. Plus, the effort increased airspeed making the collapses even more dramatic when they did happen. But such a test isn't very realistic.

One telling experience I had was while kiting. Being skeptical about the stability claims I took to kiting one on a brisk spring morning with the factory test pilot present. Kiting with the trims in was fairly standard and the glider behaved pretty normally but with less tendency to overfly me. Then he had me leave the brakes alone. The glider would come forward and go beyond where I thought it would have tucked (frontal) but it didn't. It just stayed there. Bizarre. Same with the trims out, it was incredibly resistant to collapsing. Kiting was quite easy using just the tip steering lines.

A darker side emerged when I went to kite with the trimmers out using brakes. The wing collapsed almost immediately and was very difficult to kite. I was told it wasn't designed to be used that way: with trimmers out and on speedbar it's extremely stable but NOT with the brakes being pulled.

Apparently the Reaction wing (one of numerous reflex-type gliders) warns against using speedbar with trimmers set slow just because of this behavior.

Another note is that most reflex wings do NOT allow the speedbar to be used with the trims slow. That common practice on free-flight wings makes reflex airfoils susceptible to large tip collapses, especially if the brakes are used. Reflex designers logic that there's no reason to use speedbar if you're trimmed slow. To them that's like hitting the brakes and gas at the same time.

I've flown quite a few reflex models and they have all exhibited tip collapses when flown this way. The reason I was testing was because I wanted to use brakes for turning while flying competition circuits down low. I was trying to find a balance between using medium fast trim, speedbar and brakes. What I found out was that it's not a good idea! Some competition pilots who fly reflex wings use the speedbar for height control and wingtip steering for directional control. That, obviously, will take some getting used to.

If you want to fly fast with the least likelihood of deflations, reflex models are perfect. They're a bit harder to launch although that has improved dramatically over the successive generations, are usually more sluggish to control but offer the best speed range in our sport.

Overall, these wings serve their mission well provided the get respect and understanding. Fly them how they're supposed to be flown and you'll do well. Experiment with non-recommended control inputs and don't be surprised at the unusual attitudes.


Remember, If there's air there, it should be flown in!

 


Remember, If there's air there, it should be flown in!