Dell Schanze & Night Flight, FAR 103

2013-Apr 10 - More on Powered Paragliding's Loudest, Least Honest Mouth | PPG Truth Discussion Group

That Dell has no interest in following the law is obvious. But now he's telling pilots that they can fly at night as long as they are visible. This purportedly from a Salt Lake FAA official. His exact words were "My local FAA told me flat out that what that says is not that you can't fly at night but that you can't fly at night if you are not visible."

Needless to say this is utter poppycock.

See also Dell's many other travesties/dishonesties inflicted on our precious freedom.

We have the most amazing freedoms to fly our craft, probably more than anyplace in the world, yet Dell doesn't care, flaunting disregard for obvious and simple rules and, worse yet, spreading his poison to others.

If you're going to push a rule, do us all a favor and at least be discreet. Really, the FAA doesn't want deal with us if they don't have to.

Don't put stuff out public ally that is in direct violation of REALLY OBVIOUS RULES!!!

This played publicly on a PPG Forum. Here is an image in case it gets pulled down.

The pilot (name withheld) who alerted me to this contacted the SLC FSDO and said he got this response from them.

From: [] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Salt Lake City FSDO Information

...I can assure you no one from this office told him
he was good to fly at night.  The rule is very clear.
 Sec. 103.11                                                                
 Daylight operations.                                                       
 (a) No person may operate an ultralight vehicle except between the hours   
 of sunrise and sunset.                                                     
 (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, ultralight vehicles may
be operated during the twilight periods 30 minutes before official sunrise 
 and 30 minutes after official sunset or, in Alaska, during the period of   
 civil twilight as defined in the Air Almanac, if:                          
 (1) The vehicle is equipped with an operating anticollision light visible  
 for at least 3 statute miles; and                                          
 (2) All operations are conducted in uncontrolled airspace.                 
 Sec. 1.1                                                                   
 General definitions.                                                       
 Night means the time between the end of evening civil twilight and the     
 beginning of morning civil twilight, as published in the Air Almanac,      
 converted to local time.

As an aside the definition of night used in Sec. 1.1. is irrelevant to us since our rule doesn't reference night, it specifies the exact times of "twilight." But it's painfully obvious that either Dell lied or the FSDO person he talked to had no clue what the rules were for ultralights. Either way, putting it out on a public forum like that is an invitation to unwanted scrutiny.

George David Cawthra
Salt Lake City FSDO, Manager
801-257-5046 (office)
801-647-5287 (cell)

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We're lucky to be this minimally regulated. Please don't screw it up.

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